william warren 
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| 5/27/2008 06:56 PM |
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how would this be accomplished w/o a swing? Would you be able to backup the AD, sharepoint, and exchange db's and have cougar import them?
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Eriq Neale
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| 5/27/2008 07:04 PM |
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MS has developed a migration story that makes a lot of sense, if you can handle the limitations:
1. You must migrate to new hardware.
2. The name of the server will change.
If you can't accept those limitations, then you will be doing a revised Swing. Jeff is working on updating his process for SBS 2008.
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william warren
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| 5/27/2008 07:12 PM |
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I can handle all of those..
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Arno Zevenhuizen
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| 6/16/2008 02:32 PM |
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I can handle it, but I am not willing to invest in a new server again.
We recently just bought new hardware for our SBS2003R2.
Damm...
Arno
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william warren
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Posted By Eriq Neale on 5/27/2008 07:04 PM
MS has developed a migration story that makes a lot of sense, if you can handle the limitations:
1. You must migrate to new hardware.
2. The name of the server will change.
If you can't accept those limitations, then you will be doing a revised Swing. Jeff is working on updating his process for SBS 2008.
-Eriq
so there's no importation of hte sbs data then? I have a client that wants to go sbs 2k3 now with SA but doesn't want to buy another server in 2010 when the current one he is speccing can handle both 2k3 and cougar. Are there going to be any options for us not counting swing?
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Eriq Neale
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| 6/17/2008 01:58 PM |
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Right now, there are two methods for migrating to SBS 2008: the MS way and Swing. The MS method requires you migrate to new hardware and the name of the SBS 2008 server will be different from the name of the SBS 2003 server. The Swing method should allow you to migrate back to the same hardware that's currently running SBS 2003, and you'll be able to keep the same server name.
I've gone through the migration process from MS several times, and for what it does, it makes a lot of sense. MS really worked hard on developing the migration story for SBS 2008, and I think they really nailed it. But their solution has the limitations mentioned above. It can only be done to new hardware, and the name of the destination server will be different from the name of the source server. Their migration story handles data, shared folders, Exchange, Active Directory, etc. What it doesn't specifically cover is LOB apps and databases, because those are too specific to cover in a generalized document.
The only other possibility for following the MS migration plan and ending upon the same hardware as what you're currently running would be to use StorageCraft's ShadowProtect to make an image backup of your existing server and load it to a different, temporary server, then follow the MS migration plan to migrate from that temporary server to SBS 2008 on the original hardware. You still end up with a different name for the destination server, and that cannot be worked around.
I have a client who needs to migrate to SBS 2008 pretty much the day it comes out. We will be going through Jeff's Swing docs, once they're ready, to accomplish this, because it's significantly important that he ends up with the same server name at the end of the process.
HTH...
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william warren
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| 6/17/2008 02:10 PM |
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| ok so i am going to have to use a swing since i HAVE to goto the same hardware i started on. |
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Posted By Eriq Neale on 6/17/2008 01:58 PM
The only other possibility for following the MS migration plan and ending upon the same hardware as what you're currently running would be to use StorageCraft's ShadowProtect to make an image backup of your existing server and load it to a different, temporary server, then follow the MS migration plan to migrate from that temporary server to SBS 2008 on the original hardware. You still end up with a different name for the destination server, and that cannot be worked around.
I have a client who needs to migrate to SBS 2008 pretty much the day it comes out. We will be going through Jeff's Swing docs, once they're ready, to accomplish this, because it's significantly important that he ends up with the same server name at the end of the process.
HTH...
-Eriq
The only issue with system images and moving it to other hardware is activation and if you have other products on the box that also follow this model they'll break. I've seen this happen more than a few times already..
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Eriq Neale
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| 6/17/2008 02:16 PM |
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Don't know what else to tell you then, William. If you want to end up with SBS 2008 on the same hardware that currently runs SBS 2003, your best option is Swing. The Microsoft story does not accomplish this natively.
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Arno Zevenhuizen
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| 6/17/2008 02:21 PM |
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So swinging will probably be the best options for systems of 2 years age max.
Calculate your hours needed for swing versus bying new hardware.
For older systems or systems running low on resources it's probably better to replace hardware.
Also I recently read an article from Microsoft and there pointing this version of SBS on the replacement market.
Currently a lot of SMB run SBS 2000 or 2003.
Obvious systems will be around 5 years old and hardware replacement is in the picture then.
And hey... what's the cost for new hardware these days, nice up-sell approach from Microsoft.
Arno
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