Nick Hill 
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| 1/30/2007 12:08 PM |
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Sorry if this is not the correct place to ask this.
I have received the Windows Vista Upgrade Business DVD under the MS Partner Program. Part X13-37548 EN.
I am aware that the retail Vista upgrade works in a different way to XP in that a qualifying operating system must be installed for the upgrade to install. However I have also found in the past that Partner Program software sometimes works in a different way. As I want to build a new pc & install Vista fresh, am I correct in thinking that I cannot use the Vista upgrade disk without installing XP first? So therefore if I want to install Vista as a fresh clean installation, I must buy my own Vista OEM software?
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Stewart Brown
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| 1/31/2007 12:00 AM |
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Normally in the past, if I remember correctly (?) with the retail versions, all you had to do was to show a MS operating system a valid old OS CD to be able to get the upgrade CD to work as a new install. In that scenario, you put in the new Vista CD, it looks for a copy of windows on the drive, doesn't find one, so asks you to stick in briefly an old CD to verify that you had an older version (and thus qualified for the upgrade) and then away it goes and does a fresh install. I seem to remember doing this from Win 95 on, including Win 2000, and I see I still have all my upgrade CD's going back that time.
Let us know if that trick works. In any case, I seriously doubt that Microsoft didn't think of this and has incorporated some method of doing a fresh install from your CD. A quick call to them would clear that up, and the Partner Program folks are very easy to talk with.
So the Partner Pack version is an upgrade "Business" version CD? Glad to hear somebody got theirs already. I was really disappointed that Win XP Media Center didn't join a domain, so I was hoping the Partner Pack would include the "Ultimate" version of Vista, which includes Media Center and also joins a domain.
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Stan Guinn
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| 1/31/2007 12:27 AM |
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| No Stewart, that is not correct. If you boot off of the Vista Upgrade DVD and put in an upgrade Product Key, Vista tells you it will not install unless you run it from the desktop of an XP computer. My personal feeling is that this is going to cause some serious issues. There is no telling what kinds of junk a user might have on their PC when they run that upgrade. I foresee some serious brown stuff hitting the fan. |
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Nick Hill
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| 1/31/2007 12:30 AM |
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Stan, that's what I had heard to be the case.
How about start from a clean drive, install a fresh XP, connect to the server & then run the Vista upgrade?
Edit:
I've upgraded one of my spare pcs. I've noticed that the ISA 2004 Firewall client doesn't seem to work?
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Stewart Brown
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| 1/31/2007 12:43 AM |
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Well that is definitely a pain. I would like to hear their explanation for this one. So the easiest way to a relatively clean install will be to just go thru the initial fresh install of XP, then do an immediate upgrade to Vista?
I'm not so sure I want to go thru the upgrade to Vista now anyway. All my clients on XP have pretty much settled down and except for one nagging svchost problem, things seem smooth. For some reason I've got an eye for tackling Live Communication Server next.
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Stan Guinn
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| 1/31/2007 01:36 AM |
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Nick ~ You're right, install XP and then before you do anyting else, install Vista. I really can't say if it is a good idea to connect to the server while still on XP or do it after Vista is running. I guess we'll have to try it both ways to see what happens.
Link to firewal client for Vista ~ http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=05c2c932-b15a-4990-b525-66380743da89
Stewart ~ I'm with you, I might play around with Vista in my spare time haha. But I think Live Communicator is next up on my list. |
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Nick Hill
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| 1/31/2007 09:47 AM |
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Thanks for the link Stan.
I was running through a list of problems & found the new ISA client 2am this morning! |
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Stewart Brown
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| 1/31/2007 03:34 PM |
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Would there be any way to boot to an XP desktop using a USB or CD/DVD drive, then do the Vista install?
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Nick Hill
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| 1/31/2007 04:05 PM |
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There's no point where Vista asks which drive to install on the upgrade, however there is a "clean" upgrade install option which I have not yet tried.
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Stewart Brown
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| 1/31/2007 10:38 PM |
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Well I just got my Action Pack today, and sure enough, there was an Upgrade DVD for Vista in it. I called the folks at Action Pack, and the guy claimed there is no way to do a "clean install" from the Upgrade DVD. He was clear in this, the DVD was designed in such a way as to prevent this from being possible. You supposedly are required to already have XP on the drive. He was unwilling to make any comment regarding use of a USB Boot drive or boot DVD to assist in the install.
The Action Pack guy admitted everyone had been calling with complaints and said to look for a full Vista DVD in an upcoming Action Pack.
I'll be interested in what your experience is with the "clean install option", they guy I talked with did not know about this option or what it does.
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Nick Hill
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| 1/31/2007 10:50 PM |
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I've ordered components for a new pc today, so I should be able to comment on the clean install by the weekend.
Edit:
I found this link: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932 which discusses the clean install I mentioned.
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Stan Guinn
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| 1/31/2007 11:36 PM |
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| I almost pulled the trigger on this today just to see what kind of mess it would cause. I had a ghost of my pc for backup. I had the Vista DVD in, launched it while in XP and was just about to let it rip. But I chickened out at the last moment. I just really didn't have time to restore it this afternoon if it all went south. Maybe tomorrow. I really wanted to know what is going to happen. I have all kinds of junk on my pc, and I know they can't all be Vista compatible. I want to know how the installation is going to handle this. I know one of my clients will run this and I figure I need to be ready to help them recover. |
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Nick Hill
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| 2/01/2007 09:06 AM |
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You probably need to set aside a whole day for the upgrade!
I tried to upgrade my regular pc (PIV3.2, 1gb RAM, 128mb graphics) yesterday & the upgrade failed, twice! I got a BSOD right near the end of the upgrade each time. The upgrade takes about 2½ hours, the roll-back about an hour but the roll-back seems to work well.
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Jack Hodson
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| 2/02/2007 11:18 AM |
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I have a fresh install of Vista using my upgrade disk.
It gave me the option because when I attempted to install it as an upgrade over XP it told me there was in-sufficiant diskspace so it offered me a fresh install option on my partation D:\ which had enought space :)
It dual boots nicely - not been back in to XP for a while now :) |
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Stewart Brown
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| 2/02/2007 02:47 PM |
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OK, so there's a tip for a trick to use, thanks! How much space did you have in that partition?
So I can see right now one way to do this: you take a drive on which you want 2 partitions anyway. You knock out your first partition as the regular size you want for the Vista partition. Then in the remaining space you install XP in a tiny partition, as small as it will fit in. Don't worry for now about the unused space left on the drive. Then you do the install of Vista, the new install, on the first partition, then you delete the second small partition w/XP and recreate whatever partitions you want in the full remaining space on the drive.
Kind of convoluted, but it should work!
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Jack Hodson
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| 2/02/2007 02:50 PM |
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Yes, that should work :)
The C:\ that XP was on had 4Gb left, I think Vista needs a good 15Gb |
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Nick Pieters
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| 2/06/2007 12:48 PM |
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Hi
There is a way to do a "clean install" from the Vista Upgrade DVD... Had a link somewhere.. but can't find it atm.
I believe you don't have to fill in a key, and disable the activate windows when i'm online. And it should work then... If anyone could test it here?
aah found it: http://www.windowsitpro.com/mobile/pda/Article.cfm?ArticleID=95011&News=1
Don't know if it works with the Action Pack dvd, i doubt it because it's the Business vesion, and not all the verions... |
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Mike Lees
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| 2/20/2007 04:38 PM |
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| You can do a clean install - Vista prompts you & puts the XP verwion in Windows.old directory |
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Kevin Higerty
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| 2/26/2007 01:32 PM |
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Here's how to do a clean install from an Upgrade DVD supplied to the partner program:
http://uksbsguy.com/blogs/doverton/archive/2007/01/26/how-to-do-a-clean-install-using-the-action-pack-windows-vista-media.aspx
This is tried and tested. |
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Henri KONSTAIN
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| 3/02/2007 12:47 PM |
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What David Overton describes in his blog is in my world not a clean install.
A clean install is one where you boot from the DVD and is given the possibility to completely re-format your HD's - make your partitions at will - and then decide on which one to install the OS.
I have tried that from the Partner DVD VISTA Buisness version and from a VISTA Ultimate Upgrade retail version. It works - until after a little while - and a polite little reminder pops up in the lower right hand taskbar - informing you that you have now only e.g. 28 days left to register your version before it will be rendered unusable.
My experience is that you can only do a clean install from a full retail version - or wait for our MS Partner Program to be so kind and include the full Ultimate version in the next shipment.
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