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2/07/2008 11:58 AM  
I have a Vista Business client and I'm trying to install it onto an SBS 2003 Premium box. The SBS has Windows Server SP2  and ISA SP3 installed. I've also installed the KB926505 on the server and KB930955 on the Vista machine.
 
The problem I'm having is that when I run connectcomputer I get a warning message up about SBS Metwork Configuration Wizard - An error occured while trying to copy the Client Setup files. Check the following...
 
It mentions a proxy server and although ISA is installed it shouldn;t be affecting the Vista machine as the LAN settings are clear (no ISA entries). The other part of the message goes on about reinstalling the Client Deployment component and within the SBSVista_Conceptual documentation from MS there is a mention:
 
Important
After you install the "Update for Windows Small Business Server 2003: Windows Vista and Outlook 2007 compatibility (KB 926505)," if you run Windows SBS Setup from Add/Remove programs for Client Deployment tools to either reinstall or in maintenance mode, you must reinstall the update on the server.
Not sure if my head is on straight here but what does this mean? When I look at this I cannot fathom what it's asking me to do. I assume it wants me to reinstall the client deployment component on the server but can anyone give me a heads up on how to perform this task?
 
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2/09/2008 12:18 PM  
Anyone got any ideas on this?
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2/09/2008 07:54 PM  
Posted By Steven O'Neill on 2/07/2008 11:58 AM
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Important
After you install the "Update for Windows Small Business Server 2003: Windows Vista and Outlook 2007 compatibility (KB 926505)," if you run Windows SBS Setup from Add/Remove programs for Client Deployment tools to either reinstall or in maintenance mode, you must reinstall the update on the server.
Not sure if my head is on straight here but what does this mean? When I look at this I cannot fathom what it's asking me to do. I assume it wants me to reinstall the client deployment component on the server but can anyone give me a heads up on how to perform this task?
 
Thanx
I think that is saying that if for some reason you rmoved or reinstalled the client deployment you have to run the update again. You run it again by just clicking on the downloaded file for kb926505. If you run it and it says it cannot install it than it is already installed properly.
 
To get Vista to join, I would try ~
Try to run kn926505 again
Removed the Computer Account from SBS
Recreate the computer account on SBS
put Vista back into a workgroup
deleted the "__sbs_netsetup__" from Vista
turned off UAC on Vista
 
I have had instances where Vista got totally confused after a couple of failed attempts to join and I had to reinstall it before it would join.
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2/10/2008 06:47 PM  
Thanx for the advice Stan. I'll give this a go. One thing that does trouble me though is that the Vista client doesn't even seem to get onto the starting blocks in the scenario. The error comes up when you try and run the nshelp.exe(? I think that was what it was called) application window that pops up when you try accessing connectcomputer...you don't even get a chance for the Vista client to touch the domain so there's been no username or workstation info passed from the domain at this point.
 
Very strange. I'll also try the Client Deployment reinstall...one thing I do know though is that on both occassions I've seen this I've not had Outlook 2003 installed on the server for deployment and I'm wondering if the KB926505 new deployment upgrade is actually expecting this in some way?
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2/19/2008 11:47 AM  
Hi again
 
Apologies for taking so long in getting back about this problem but other items came first but I'm now back trying to sort this. I've tried to reapply KB926505 and it does appear to run but I note that the toolbar only appears to go up partially before it comes up with the close window option.
 
Now I note that both the clients I'm experiencing the problem on only have certain apps within the ClientApps folder (for space saving resons and the fact these clients all have Office 2003/2007 installed - no need for Outlook to be in the ClientApps). Could not having all the apps in the ClientApps folder be a problem? If so how do I 'reinstall' these apps before reapplying the KB article fix? I'd assume I need to access Add/Remove Programs on the SBS and then Change/Remove Windows Small Business Server 2003; run the wizards and then pick what I'd like installed as such but I've not had to do this before and would appreciate some guidance on this part. Will there be a need for a reboot of the server (therefore needing to be done out of hours). I'm also concious that there are certificates, etc in the ClientApps folders and will thee be replaced or should I create a copy before doing this?
 
Thanx for any advice.
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2/19/2008 12:13 PM  
Hi Steve,
 
SBS Setup, set it to Maintenance mode, and select the Clientapps to reinstall. That in itself doesn't need a reboot, however, if you have non SP1 integrated media, you would need to reapply SBS 2003 SP1, which will need a reboot.

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2/19/2008 12:18 PM  
Thanx Marina
 
The original install did use non SP1 discs so looks as though I may need to reinstall SP1 again as you suggest. However, the client also has R2 discs and I was wondering if these could be used (even though the server isn't R2) or would this merely confuse matters?
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2/19/2008 10:21 PM  
Marina
 
If I go down the root of reinstalling the clientapps from the non SP1 media then you mention I need to reinstall SBS SP1. I assume this is only SBS SP1 and not everything else that came with it (Exchange SP1, etc) as I've already moved these forward to SP2 and further for ISA, etc?
 
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2/23/2008 09:39 AM  
Okay I've done the following:

placed the Outlook content folder into the clientapps folder (on the E drive of the server - but changed using the correct method and shown correctly in the registry);
ran the SBS Setup, placed it into maintenance mode and then uninstalled the clientapps and rebooted the server;
reran SBS Setup and reinstalled the clientapps info making sure to point the clientapps folder to the E drive location

This part all works just fine however when I rerun the SBS SP1 (I haven't uninstalled this) it only goes part way before I get an error about the user account needs to be part of the Domain Admins, Enterprise Admins, etc group (which it is as it's the buit-in admin account and I've checked). I've done a lookup on this and found a KB article on this but everything checks out according to this. I've also checked the setup logs and there are some errors there about Outlook (it appears to be trying to add content for clientapps but it's sending it to the wrong location) but I don't know if this is why I've got this problem.

However, after I come out of this the system tells me to install the KB article for Vista and Outlook 2007 connections. I still cannot connect any Vista clients and receive the same message mentioned earlier in the topic.

Totally confused by this and any advice is appreciated. If I cannot find a way to resolve this then I may need to contact MS to see if there's anything they can do for me as I'm about to rollout Office 2007 for this client and if Outlook 2007 won't connect (haven't tried it yet) then we're onto problems.

Any further advice greatly appreciated.
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2/25/2008 04:02 PM  
Okay this has become a bit more serious now...I'm now unable to setup client computers via the wizard. Should I uninstall SBS SP1 completely and attempt a reinstall or is this going to open a complete can of worms? Is there another way to fix the connect computer wizard?

Thanx for any advice.
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2/25/2008 04:39 PM  
Hi Steven,
 
You can't uninstall SBS 2003 SP1. Are you running it as the built-in Administrator?

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2/25/2008 05:34 PM  
Yes I am Marina
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2/26/2008 04:29 PM  
Hi Steven,
 
Do you have an additional Domain Controller?

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2/26/2008 06:47 PM  
Yes...in a branch office
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2/27/2008 02:20 PM  
Hi Marina, did you want me to do anything with the other DC?
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2/28/2008 01:21 AM  
Hi Steven,
 
Do you have a healthy replication between the SBS and the other DC? The error you get about the domain admin etcetera can occur when you are not installing SBS 2003 SP1 as the built-in administrator, when the SBS can't contact the other DC or when the administrator has memberships in groups that shouldn't be assigned to the administrator.

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2/28/2008 09:22 AM  
Thanx Marina

Replication between the machines appears fine to me...no errors in the Event Viewer of either machine. However, the built-in Administrator account is within a great many number of groups other than the usual suspects and I've listed them below:

Administrators
CRM_WPG
Domain Admins
Domain Users
Enterprise Admins
Group Policy Creator Owners
IIS_WPG
Internet Users
Mobile Users
PMX_Admin
ReportingGroup
Schema Admin
SMS Admin
SMS Supervisors
SMS Users
Sophos Console Administrators
Sophos DB Admin
Sophos DB Users
SophosAdministrator
UserGroup

Should I attempt to remove the other groups, attempt a reinstall and then add them back in? I note there are a couple of entries there I can easily remove (the SMS ones are not really used now) but any adivce you can offer is appreciated.
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2/28/2008 09:24 PM  
Sorry to hassle Marina...any thoughts on this broken wizard?
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2/29/2008 02:03 AM  
Hi Steven,
 
Sorry, have been busy and still am. Remove all groups that aren't necessary. Check the SBS 2003 SP1 doc for the only groups needed to be able to run that SP. When the SP is installed successfully, you can if you really need to, add those groups back in. Although I am wondering about the IIS_WPG group being there.

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3/02/2008 10:51 AM  

Marina

Appreciate the time you're putting in here helping me out...I know how busy you are. I've done some further checking and have found a replication problem between the SBS and the remote DC. On the remote DC I get a couple of DNS errors after running dcdiag /test:dns. The are:
 
Forwarders list has invalid forwarder: 208.67.22.220
Forwarders list has invalid forwarder: 208.67.22.222
 
So it fails the forwarders test. There are another 2 forwarders in there so it should be okay for me to remove them...I assume there were there from an earlier connection with BT Business (the ISP).
 
I also note that the DNS of the SBS isn't displayed as a forwarder...should it be?
 
On the SBS when I run dcdiag I receive warnings about replication failures. I've attached a text file with the dcdiag results exported.

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